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Wind Farms :Report

Postby *jj* » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:17 pm

For those of you with more time than sense (ha!)
Here it is.
Fascinating reading.
http://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committee ... .pdf?la=en

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Bus ... nal_Report

I'm particularly pleased to see that they raised the important issue of shadow flicker.

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Postby buffy » Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:16 pm

Oh dear. I wonder if the Independent Expert Committee on Industrial Sound (IESC) is going to check out the noise from Yallourn, big factories, highways, building sites etc etc.

I know some of the people from the Macarthur area who made submissions. I can't remember which one it was that told me about their problems. I asked her how she went with visits to the ocean, holidays by the sea, because the sound of the waves on the beach, the heavy booming ones, is infrasound. She was actually genuinely surprised at this, apparently never having heard this before. She told me she sleeps well at the seaside.

I didn't read the whole lot......it was obvious from the start that the enquiry had been done backwards. Here is our conclusion.......let's now collect stuff for the rest of it.
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Postby *jj* » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:06 am

Good Morning buffy.
I didn't read the whole lot either, although I had intended to at first.
It is ghastly.
I was at kids place (with broadband) during the senate hearing.
At one point the sound expert spoke of how he would be willing to undertake a rigorous study, specifically including all those who are affected by the infrasound.
The Chair (I think it was, not certain) was delighted and though funding could be sought for same.
Another Senator asked him to explain what "a rigorous study" meant before going much further, so he did.
At the point of talking about a control group the Chair changed demeanor; it was fascinating ... as it went on he responded as if (inferred, in fact) that that was how people were being tricked / not being taken seriously etc.
It was the clearest demonstration of their level of understanding that "science" is an investigative process and not "the results" (which are of course the product OF the process) that I have ever seen.
I find myself feeling really sad at so much of this across so many topics.

I'm assured that the recent Q&A with scientifically literate panel is well worth a look, so will try it when next on a good connection.
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Postby roughbarked » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:19 am

in the context, rigourous probably = shadow flicker.
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Postby Helix » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:57 pm

Junkee has a piece on some of the responses offered by Simon Chapman, the public health expert questioned by the Senate committee. They are the responses of someone who has absolutely no time for senatorial tilting at windmills (literally and figuratively.)

http://junkee.com/wind-farm-lols/62664

The wrap up:

Moral of the story: don’t bring your anti-science bullshit around a public health professional if you don’t want to get destroyed in public.


(There's a link in text to the complete list of questions and responses.)
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Postby buffy » Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:46 am

Thanks Helix, I'll try to find time tonight to look at that.
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Postby Teleost » Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:41 pm

Helix wrote:Junkee has a piece on some of the responses offered by Simon Chapman, the public health expert questioned by the Senate committee. They are the responses of someone who has absolutely no time for senatorial tilting at windmills (literally and figuratively.)

http://junkee.com/wind-farm-lols/62664

The wrap up:

Moral of the story: don’t bring your anti-science bullshit around a public health professional if you don’t want to get destroyed in public.


(There's a link in text to the complete list of questions and responses.)


It's worth reading the whole set of responses. Some of them had me in hysterics.
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Postby *jj* » Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:09 pm

I can't laugh ... it's too awful for laughter, but First Dog does deal with stuff so well.

Someone else might know how to post the picture directly, in the meantime.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... are_btn_tw
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Postby roughbarked » Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:03 pm

Image Doesn't fit the page well?
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